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  • KarinSDCA

    I love how you research! Seriously.

    As for Borax, I use it in my homemade laundry detergent and it works. It works WELL!

    I have read many recipes with Borax listed in the ingredients. Thus far, I have skipped any recipe with it. I don’t know why exactly. Maybe because I didn’t have any? Maybe because I had read somewhere it was bad for you? Perhaps just because any recipe with Borax also required heating and combining several ingredients and I tend to prefer simpler recipes?

    I had slowly begun researching Borax and the more complicated recipes using it and I ran across similar information as you have above. At that point, I decided IF I was going to use Borax, THEN I was going to buy the most healthy (and environmentally-friendly) version I could find in the smallest amount to test first. Baking soda irritates my skin if left on it for longer than a few minutes and I spent many hours searching for homemade deodorant recipes WITHOUT baking soda. My immediate concerns regarding Borax were as simple as that. I have sensitive skin. Period.

    But, all that other stuff I started reading… OY! Ultimately, I have decided almost the same as you have. Fine for laundry detergent. Never would consider it internally. Never considered it for dishwasher detergent, but that was a different issue. I am looking for it locally in bulk at a health food store to try a little to see if my skin can tolerate it (in the healthiest form I can find it). Haven’t found any yet and was considering just using the stuff I use for laundry detergent. It doesn’t irritate my skin in that manner, but it is all washed out by the time my clothes touch my skin.

    Thank you for finishing my research for me!!! I sincerely appreciate it. I am going to try making something using the stuff I have and, if all goes well, then buy a pound from MRH for future body care products.

    • Rupunzlemom

      Thanks for the research.  Hulda Clark, who wrote a book about the cure for cancer, recommends Borax water as a substitute for shampoo.  She is firm on removing ALL petroleum products  from your home.  I don’t think she would recommend something that was harmful.  

      I have been using it for years, as cleaner and diluted with water as shampoo.  I love it.

  • http://vanessasmith.webs.com Vanessa

    Oh, thank goodness, I can still put some in my mop juice! I’m a little weary about using it in something that I will put on my body in some manner though.

  • Susan

    I agree! Before I read your comment….I was going to post even salt and water can be toxic to the human body if taken in excessive quantities…..truth be told I was never worried about whether it was dangerous or not….I mean seriously if you want a natural cleaner when and where does the madness end? Sometimes even going “natural” has its limits…..as far as Im concerned.

  • http://smallchoicesforabetterworld.blogspotcom Moona

    Thanks for your research!

  • Annette

    Thanks Crunchy Betty! I have been using a homemade laundry detergent that includes Borax for years. The “am-I-doing-the-right-thing” fairies have been floating around inside my head all that time. I think I can finally shoo the fairies away! Your research is thorough and sound and just what I needed. As for using it in the dishwasher… well, I’m still looking for an alternative. Keep on Crunching! You’re helping to save the planet one soap bubble at a time!

  • Brenda W.

    My box of 20 Mule Team says the ingredient is Sodium Tetraborate. The Mtn Rose Herbs catalog sells Borax “cosmetic grade sodium borate”.

    Are they different products? I don’t know.

    Would I consider using 20 Mule Team in my personal care products? Hell no!

    Would I consider using cosmetic grade sodium borate? Probably. Something labeled as ‘cosmetic grade’ sounds a lot safer to me than using the stuff I make laundry soap out of.

    I watched a video on You Tube of a woman making “wonderful homemade facial cream” using her frickin’ box of 20 Mule Team – yikes! Not for me!!

  • Aimee

    I used it once to wash my hair, like a bs wash when no ‘pooing and lemme tell you, my hair was FABULOUS. I read on some natural living board, a woman used it all the time, and so I tried it and was like omg my hair is great! Of course, then, AFTER the fact, I started reading all the OMG YOU’RE GONNA DIE stuff and worried, and haven’t used it since. But maybe, since I’m rinsing it off, not *eating* it or anything…

  • Christina

    I bought a box of 20 Mule Team, and a box of Arm & Hammer washing soda when I saw them mentioned on your site, and put them in the laundry room, while waiting for inspiration on what to do with them.
    When laundry seems like soap nuts won’t do it alone, I shake some of one or the other directly in the washing machine. (I hope it isn’t destroying the Soap Nuts?!?).
    No problem so far, and I’m intrigued regarding the dish detergent idea. Whatever it is, I will verify, but it seems it must be better that the old Cascade, etc.? Isn’t it?!?

  • http://www.naturalbeautyvixen.com Natural Beauty Vixen

    Great article! Thanks for writing this. The safety of borax is something I’ve wondered about, but hadn’t yet gotten around to looking into. It really helps clear up the confusion (mine included) about borax vs. boric acid.

  • Becky

    Thank you. This one has been bugging me since I read some of the horror stuff out there. It seemed over hyped, but still… I don’t want to hurt my kids! This seems reasonable! I’m not scared of the borax monster anymore.

  • http://adventureswiththreegirls.com jessica Anne

    Yay Borax! I love that you do all the work for me. I use it in a mixture with vinegar and a tiny bit of castille soap, and water. I love it and I’m not going to stop.

  • Margie

    Hey, lookie there. Reading my mind again. I was in the store the other day, eyeing up a box of Borax and pondering it’s healthiness and thinking there was a bit of research ahead of me. And lo and behold, what do I find in my inbox this morning? All the research done for me and confusion clarified. So I think I will be trying my hand at laundry detergent, because, quite frankly, I’ve tried three natural, non-toxic, blah blah blah detergents and none get my husband’s eau de soccer game out of his clothes.

    Still waiting for MRH to notify me that they have soap nuts in, so a borax detergent is the next step.

  • http://makeitbakeitbuyitfakeit.blogspot.com Stephanie

    I was one of those under the impression that borax was bad stuff and since I was too lazy to research it, I simply avoided using it. Thank you, thank you, for doing what I didn’t!

    I’ve been using homemade laundry soap without borax for a couple of months now and I love it. So, I don’t know if I’ll change or not, but it’s good to know that if my homemade stuff isn’t up to the challenge of my husband’s grubby work clothes, I can always up the cleaning power with some added borax occasionally.

    • martin wu

      Hi Stephanie, Borax make food, inside the food, I have eaten for years, before I don’t know much about it ! now maybe? I am 55 years old healthy normal, Borax is good, Martin

  • Daisy

    Crunchy B, you have done it again. Thank you for being awesomesauce. I love your thoughfulness into your research and the way you roll it around in your mind in front of us for us to think about it too.

    But!

    You just toss out there “Oh, you know, just some dishwasher stuff I made up, ho hum, no link here, you know…” Um, deets! Tell us! (Or maybe you did give us the deets on the dishwasher ditty but I airheadded right past it. If so, ahem…sorry.)

    And hooray, rock on, Borax!

    • Daisy

      Oh no! I just saw it! Delete, delete, delete!

      (In Grover’s voice: “I am so embarrassed!”)

  • http://twitter.com/#!/NatalieInCA NatalieInCA

    Brenda W, I think you are right pointing out there are actually different “grades” of borax. My box – very old box, I just used it occasionally along with my laundry detergent – says sodium tetraborate decahydrate… I wish I had taken more chemistry classes. I know my kids reacted to it when they were young and I could not use it for their laundry, still don’t.
    Is it like baking soda, I use the regular king for cleaning and the baking kind – aluminium free – for baking and all my crunchy needs. I have a very sensitive skin and I never reacted to it even though I use it daily as a deodorant.

  • http://noteasytobegreen.wordpress.com Jennifer

    Good to know, and thanks for doing all that research! I’ve seen Borax listed in some lotion recipes, and I didn’t really know what to think. The only thing I’ve used it for is to get rid of ants. I felt terrible, but they just wouldn’t stop coming into my kitchen.

    • bea

      How did you get rid of ants with borax?  I am having that problem.

  • jill

    Oh I’ve used it for all kinds of things. Dishwasher, my laundry soap, cleaning, and here’s the big one, mites. I somehow contracted mites/scabies. On my arm. It was so itchy I couldn’t sleep, I wanted to cut my arm off. With tons of research, since I knew the med’s from the doctor were not the safest thing I came up with a hydrogen peroxide/borax recipe. I added in tea tree and lavender. Yes, in the concentration I used, it did cause a little bit of irritation, thank goodness for coconut and all the other wonderful oils I used. It worked, but I had to do it just like it was med’s and oh how I hated that, but, like I said, IT WORKED!
    I’ve seen on Earth Clinic that some people do take by mouth, very scant amount and recommend it for pets. I haven’t done that.
    My take on it, I would avoid breathing the powder as much as possible since breathing any kind of dust is not good. For anything beyond cleaning I recommend research and safety.
    And oh yeah, if you go to Macy’s and try on clothes, you have no idea who might have tried it on ahead of you. LOL! Okay, maybe it wasn’t Macy’s, but I don’t shop too often, and that was one of the places on our list of where I might have contracted such a horrible thing, so horrible I couldn’t think about it or I’d freak.

    • Cheryl Rector

      Oh my gosh. I have literally NEVER thought about contracting scabies from TRYING ON CLOTHES, but you are SO RIGHT.
      My daughter came home from church camp with LICE, but I didn’t know it for WEEKS. She had never had it before, and we had never really known anyone who had it, so we didn’t recognize what was going on. Before we knew what had happened, she gave it to me too!! GAAAAH!!!!
      You better believe I will be uber careful about ever trying on clothes at a store again. ICK.

      • jill

        Yep, I went my whole life not knowing anything about that stuff. Then the kids got lice from other kids, and 3 of my kids were girls, with long hair. I feel horrible now since I didn’t know any better and bought the store shampoo. I remember searching for alternatives at the time. Thank goodness for todays internet, and people willing to share their much safer cures, despite the embarrassment of the whole situation. I got over being embarrassed much quicker than I did with the thought of something alive being on my body. And I totally understand that you went weeks without knowing. It starts out with just a little itch, (in your mind your thinking, dry skin or whatnot) Look at it this way, knowledge is power, we now can spot these horrible things a little bit sooner, and a quicker reaction leads to a quicker cure.

  • saffron

    You are the bomb! thanks for your awesome articles!

  • http://litasworld.com Jen @ Lita’s world

    Wonderful article…seriously taking on all the research for those of us aspiring to be super crunchy like yourself.

    I’ll admit, the question has sat there in the back of my mind, but as many above have stated, I haven’t taken the time to do the research. Now that you have, I feel fine using it in cleaning as I have. As we don’t have a dishwasher, I haven’t used it there or anywhere near my dinnerware, so nothing for me to worry about there.

    Seriously I cannot imagine ingesting it – good for those people who swear by it above, I’ll take their word for it, but for myself, there are a lot of other natural health ideas out there I think I’ll try (and stick to) first.

    • jill

      LOL! So true huh? I’m still working my way through elderberry, chamomile and other natural items that seem a lot more pleasant than borax. Okay, maybe we can put that on our list of things to try, way at the bottom with newer more important things always written above that.

  • http://earthsgifts.blogspot.com SassyDebs

    Thank for the info. I use it as a cleaner and for laundry.

  • Betty

    30 years ago, when all the rage was disposable diapers, I insisted on cloth diapers for my kids and soaked them in Borax. It did a marvelous job of removing any ammonia odor and the diapers were super white without using bleach. Rarely had a case of diaper rash. Don’t know what I would have done without it. Must admit that I haven’t used Borax for much else since then. Time to rethink my old friend.

    • shelly

      OOh, that was helpful!  I was just thinking that if Borax was a skin irritant, I shouldn’t use it for cloth diapers, so thanks for letting us know how it worked for you!

  • carrie

    The best tip with homemade cleaning products, whatever they are, is moderation. Essential oils are safe to use in dilution, but not full strength. The nice thing about borax is that you don’t have to worry about it being a carcinogen in case there’s a residue, and you can touch it with your hands (and then wash them) without the same nasty effects as, say, bleach.

  • TJ

    There is some information missing here. The EPA has reassessed Borax and found that there is a developmental issue with testes, and that in solution can cause serious eye problems to infants–consider borax being on a little one’s clothes which get wet (as always happens) and then rub against the eyes. Also, the European Diagnostics Manufacturing Association has changed the classification of Sodium Tetraborate to “toxic for reproduction.”

  • Wendi

    thank you…i needed that

  • Lochnessnessie

    My uncle worked for 40-some years at the borax mine in Boron — some of those years he worked underground (before it was an open pit mine) — and he hasn’t had any health or respiratory issues. Which is amazing, when you think about how much of that stuff he inhaled.

  • Freshpickedbeauty

    I handcraft lotions and creams all the time and never have to use borax with the water phase of my formula.  I use lecithin and lanolin instead and my product has never separated.  I don’t think we need to use borax in creating lotions and creams which is often common when using beeswax.  Cheers! Thanks for the great article!!

  • http://asuburbanlife.wordpress.com/ ASuburbanLife

    This is very helpful, thank you. I think it’s also really important to look at what you might be using Borax in place of.  At home I’m trying to minimize commercial cleaners which I suspect, although have done no research, are far more lethal than Borax.

  • http://texan.blogspot.com/ Texan

    Great post, thanks for all the info!   I too have got rid of all our plastic except my food processor and my bullet. :O) Won’t part with those. But I don’t use them for hot ingredients. I tell myself this makes it better :O)

  • Anonymous

    i run natural cleaning workshops and my view is similar to yours. It’s fine except you shouldn’t put it near pets (eg clean the floor with it) or use it on the garden.

  • Anonymous

    In regard to the garden, I meant the grey water, but more so if you use grey water on seedlings in the first place (a whole another discussion there, I remember mentioning using shower grey water on the garden and this woman started shouting about the risk of poo in the garden. err ok )

  • Nikki

    Thank you so much for this post! I’ve read a lot of other blogs condemning Borax or highly praising it and I feel yours is the only one that’s looked at all sides. :)

    • Luvcouponing

      I always raked 20 Mule Borax into carpet, left on at least 1-2 wks before vacuuming so you will never have a flea problem.  I even had a little Yorkie and it didn’t bother her. I’ve told others this trick if moving into where there is carpet, and no one ever had a problem with their pets or had a flea in the home. Other places sell it as flea fix at crazy high $$ and its ingredient is Borax.

  • megmom

     What a great article!! Thank you!! Although I had not heard the controversy (excuse my ignorance *_*@mscate:disqus …..From my own experience….   I LOVE Borax! 
    I have 8 kids, 5 cat’s, a dog and no side effects. (obviously, I have 8 kids :) My hubby’s mom used it for years in her own home…so I don’t know about the reproduction issues…obviously insert 8 kid’s…. ;)  In my own home, I’ve used it for years in my laundry routine. It makes our clothes so much brighter in general. And my whites….well I used to use bleach in the early years of my marriage…when everything began to fall apart I began looking for alternatives. About 3 years into my marriage I noticed my mom-in-law’s box of Borax on her washing machine. Years later though, she divulge she used it to kill the ants…. ?     So, obviously it’s great at getting rid of things that pester…mice, ants, stains…..hmmm. My cat’s show no interest in it. My son who has cracky hands because his Ph’s get out of balance in the winter with all the hand washing. Well, I have him use it on his hands…clears ‘em right up.  I’ve also used it to soften my own hands. Because I’m not totally crunchy, and still by hand soap from the store, occasionally I have a bad reaction with hand soap and it’ll make my hands like sand paper. So I’ll put a lil’ borax in my hands and get them wet and use it like an exfoliant. Smooths out the sand paper! 

  • Petersahn

    Thank you so much for this post!  I have used Borax for years for a variety of reasons (soaking diapers, cleaning the toilet, laundry detergents, etc).  When I heard it “was unsafe” I stopped, but was never quite able to figure out why.  I appreciate the time and effort you went to to clarify this.

  • Christine

    Thank you for giving me all sides to the Borax debate. Now I can use it and still sleep at night. :)

  • http://powerlaunch.wordpress.com/ Jenni and Jody

    Awesome article! Thank you. I’m going to post a link on our FB page and tweet it. I am grateful for the research you’ve done and relieved. I love Borax!

  • Willpower

    Love your listed out study. And I would really like to link it to my info about how to use it on my little blog. If you don’t like that tell me and I will unlink. Thanks.

  • Skye

    Thank you for this! I’ve been using borax in my homemade laundry detergent for over a year now and I’ve heard some bad things so I keep meaning to look into it. You have put my mind at ease.