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  7. Helga

    Do you know what amount of Rosemary and/or Grapefruit Seed Essential Oil would be enough to be effective?

    • Stellar

      No amount of Rosemary, Grapefruit seed, Essential Oil will be enough to preserve a water based product effectively. Rosemary and Grapefruit seed are antioxidants. Antioxidants do not preserve anything. They will not prevent mold or bacteria from growing. They will extend the shelf life of your oils by preventing them from going rancid more quickly. Essential oils would have to be used at such a high usage rate to possibly prevent any bacteria or mold from growing that it would be unsafe amount to use.

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  9. Ida

    I was thinking about this when I came across a DIY skin care recipe that contained water, but it was stated that it should be distilled. Because I’m interested to try this I researched a lot around this. So after I bought Vitamin E I heard people talking about how it helps preserve oil from becoming rancid, but not water!

    I’ve also heard that many essential oils can preserve, but since you just use the tiniest amount, they can’t function as that. The only things that actually seems reliable are parabens, which is unconventional to get and also questionable to use.

    So now I’m stuck in this situation where I don’t want to create a creme that will last me a week, and not using water will make it way to thick for me because it consists of mostly oils (and my glycerin contains a few procent water so it’s unavoidable unless I buy a new bottle).

    Help very appreciated!

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  18. Abbi

    I have a water filter, is it ok to use that, when I’m out of distilled water, and if so, should I boil it also? I make a spray with epsom salt and make the water pretty hot before I mix the stuff and it seems to last a good two weeks.

  19. Austin

    Hello, I am a bartender in downtown Seattle, I create my own craft cocktails and menu and love infusing my passion for culinary skills with my mixology. I am having troubles finding actual information for how to make?/ shelf life of rosemary water used for my bourbon cocktails. I was just gonna use fresh rosemary every time, but I think adding 1oz rosemary water to my bourbon apple cider cocktail would maybe be easier and more cost efficient. Rosemary grows on our street corners, but could use dried with boiling water if needed. Just want to be sure it’d last at least, 2 weeks? For dried rosemary, while taking precautions of boiling the bottle and water.
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  20. Austin

    Hello, I am a bartender in downtown Seattle, I create my own craft cocktails and menu and love infusing my passion for culinary skills with my mixology. I am having troubles finding actual information for how to make?/ shelf life of rosemary water used for my bourbon cocktails. I was just gonna use fresh rosemary every time, but I think adding 1oz rosemary water to my bourbon apple cider cocktail would maybe be easier and more cost efficient. Rosemary grows on our street corners, but could use dried with boiling water if needed. Just want to be sure it’d last at least, 2 weeks? For dried rosemary, while taking precautions of boiling the bottle and water.
    Thanks

  21. Jodi

    Hi, Betty. I was looking for an article about working with water in a lotion and came across your blog. It’s fantastic. Thank you. I have a question. I’ve been trying to make a facial lotion… 4 times so far… That didn’t go bad in a week or two.

    My recipe calls for vitamin e oil which is helpful. I’ve also been using Neodefend. I know, not exactly natural but I’m desperate. It’s getting to be really annoying to heat 2 pots up to the same temp to get the emulsifying wax to work and my product comes out beautifully then goes bad. I’m adding the e oil and neodefend when heating the water and oil mixtures to mix. Should I add the preservative after the initial product has cooled down? Am I ruining it by heating it? Thank you so much in advance!!
    Jodi

    • Stellar

      NeoDefend is effective in a pH range of 3 to 6. It is heat stable and you can add it to the water phase or it can be added to the cool down phase. If you add it to the cool down phase it should be predissolved in a portion of the water prior to adding to the product. In some products NeoDefend has been found to cause a downward ph drift.If this occurs
      sodium citrate or phosphate buffers can be used to raise the ph back up.

      If your product is going bad make sure you are using it at the proper usage rate and within the effective ph range. Also proper procedures regarding making sure everything is clean and sanitized. A preservative will not preserve a product that is contaminated fro the start it will only prevent bacteria and mold from growing in a clean uncontaminated product.

  22. Hi! Love the topic thanks for all the great info, just wanted to say that I’ve found that using Aloe vera gel (the natural stuff not the stuff at walmart) helps a lot with preserving “water based” products I just substitute it for the water and my products last longer. Happy Mixing!!

    • Stellar

      Don’t count on it. There is absolutely not enough preservative in the gel to adequately preserve your products. There is enough preservative to preserve the gel. Preservatives are calculated at a safe usage rate for the percentage of ingredients in that product only

  23. Stellar

    Some good information but some misinformation that unfortunately is constantly being recycled over and over again. One products that already contain a preservative do not contain enough preservative to preserve the extra water you are adding to it. If you are adding water to a product say castille soap for instance you are lowering the PH to environment that bacteria can grow in. Second Rosemary EO, Grapefruit extract, Vitamin E are NOT preservatives. They are antioxidants. They will not preserve anything. They will not prevent mold or bacteria from growing. They will only help prolong the shelf life of your oils to prevent them from going rancid more quickly. Citric Acid is not a preservative unless once again you are testing the ph to see if adequate enough to create a hostile environment for bacteria and mold to grow in. Absorbic acid when added to water very quickly oxidizes and become completely ineffective. Alcohol is be a preservative but you would have to use it at at least 60% that’s a lot of alcohol and a lot more than any would want to add to something the same goes for vinegar. You would have to use an awful lot for it to be able to preserve something.

    People that want to make their own products and add water to them should actually take the time to learn a little bit about science or only make oil based products. I know people don’t like preservatives because they are ‘un-natural” well not all things natural are good. Like bacteria. If you have the smallest cut or damaged skin and spread an contaminated product all over yourself you risk a serious staff infection. Not educating yourselves and adequately preserving and creating a safe product is irresponsible and unhealthy.

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  1. […] should always be distilled or filtered or boiled to prevent gross stuff from growing in your […]

  2. […] that you don’t want growing in your gel or lotion. If you want to know more, head on over to Crunchy Betty and read what she has to say. She’s funny and smart; I think you guys’ll get […]

  3. […] very carefully so as not to jeopardize the purity of our products. Here are some tips I got from Crunch Betty about working with water, that can be applied to this cooking spray, to keep it from going rancid […]

  4. […] ** As near as I can tell the biggest issue with water in recipes is that tap water has bacteria in it that can create additional bacteria growth in your DIY products.  There doesn’t appear to be a great deal of difference between distilled and purified bottled water as both will reduce contaminants in your recipes.  And lets face it, most of us have bottled water on hand and very few of us keep distilled water.  I didn’t want to run to the store so I elected to use bottled water. For more on using water in DIY recipes, check out Crunchy Betty’s “DIY 101: Working with Water.” […]



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